“The real conspiracy is that the rich think that they don't have to live in the same world as the rest of us, so they can let it burn and profit on the way down… These guys believe that they are above the rules. ”

‘Unshocked’ is finally back for 2026! In the first episode of the new year, Zeteo contributor Naomi Klein and Mehdi Hasan discuss how the public comes to believe conspiracy theories and explain what the latest Epstein files say about wealth and power.

In the conversation, they also break down Epstein’s relation with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel. They also discuss what Epstein represented, Steve Bannon and accountability in all of this.

You can also listen to ‘Unshocked’ wherever you get your podcasts.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:57 Conspiracies
07:15 Antisemitic conspiracies
12:50 Power
17:05 Billionaires
25:05 Disaster capitalism and Epstein’s ideology
29:32 Accountability
31:25 Impunity



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